Manafon deluxe edition - too expensive??

[Simonp]

I'm writing to him in the next few days, I'll be sure to tell him.

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surely how Sylvian chooses to release this DVD is entirely up to him unless something was especially written into the contracts of the participating musicians?

[marcello09]

just to be clear, I'm not advocating it exactly, what I said was "this is a case where I'm glad that it'll likely be circulating illegally for free soon enough." my opinion is irrelevant in this case, everything circulates for free whether you or I or David S. want it to or not.

I was thinking the same thing. Piracy can never be completely controlled, but when digital media isn't legally available at a reasonable price, piracy tends to flourish. That's yet another reason that I think SamadhiSound should provide us with a more affordable way to legally acquire the DVD.

[jon abbey]

surely how Sylvian chooses to release this DVD is entirely up to him unless something was especially written into the contracts of the participating musicians?

sure, of course it is, and as far as I know, none of them are complaining. I'm just saying it's a bad decision, in my opinion. I am allowed an opinion, right?

[Simonp]

surely how Sylvian chooses to release this DVD is entirely up to him unless something was especially written into the contracts of the participating musicians?

sure, of course it is, and as far as I know, none of them are complaining. I'm just saying it's a bad decision, in my opinion. I am allowed an opinion, right?

Of course you're allowed an opinion but writing to Sylvian to complain about it seems somewhat excessive, right?

[neonico]

i agree simonp the work is great and this ever ending moaning about the new cd i cant understand also.

either buy the thing or not.

were i come from one says

language is overated

and jon abbey your ok you just protect your own muscians hopefully i translated this right without sounding sarcastic.

[mikaels]

I preface this with the background that I have been a fan of David's since 1981. And I have 98% of what he's released.

But the deluxe edition does strike me as expensive. Mostly because I don't WANT the dvd content. I would if he was included and/or if footage of the sessions was included, but that is not the case.

What I would like to order is the cd and book of lyrics...to go with all my Trophies.

But sadly I have not been given that option. It's all-or-nothing...but the packaging looks beautiful and I am absolutely sure it will be first-rate. One can't wear Prada and then do cheap design can one?

So I will have to be sullenly satisfied with the 6-panel digipack.

Well, here is another Sylvian fan from Stockholm, also since early 80s, and also owning most of what he's released . I am of the opposite opinion, I'd be glad if I could buy ONLY the DVD, since it not only contains the documentary, but also Manafon in surround sound (and possibly stereo as well, the specs are a bit vague...).
The books are probably nice, but a bit pricey.
Perhaps we could buy it together, you get the cd and the books, I'll take the DVD (but the cover for the digipak is gorgeus).

[jon abbey]

Of course you're allowed an opinion but writing to Sylvian to complain about it seems somewhat excessive, right?

yeah, that's not what I'm doing. I'm writing him to reestablish contact, as we haven't talked in a few years.

[barryinstockholm]

Hej Mikaels,

Not a bad idea...I sent you a private message..let's discuss!

[natsume]

I am on the fence on this one, and agree that it may have been wise for Samadhi to offer a "middle way", format wise. To say I am not very material is actually quite an understatement, I don't really need more "stuff", but then again it is a Sylvian product, and I do treasure my World is Everything program, it's a gorgeous book. I am 60% leaning towards getting the CD only. I may swing the other way, but the cost is almost prohibitive, for me anyway.

Guess I have to decide soon!

[proggrl]

Is it expensive? Yes. Is it TOO expensive? No, I think it's good value for the product.

Tho it may not be affordable to all (myself included at the moment), its certainly priced decently. I just hope there are still some available when I'm in a better spot financially.

[baht habit]

yeah, that's not what I'm doing. I'm writing him to reestablish contact, as we haven't talked in a few years.

Jon, when you correspond with Sylvian, would it be too much to possibly inquire into the status of "When We Return You Won't Recognise Us"? This is the project which Prevost and Butcher contributed to and I was wondering if Sylvian had any plans of releasing this music in the future. Thanks.

[afternoonfix]

buying both , it is expensive but it is sylvian afterall .

[neonico]

yeah, that's not what I'm doing. I'm writing him to reestablish contact, as we haven't talked in a few years.

Jon, when you correspond with Sylvian, would it be too much to possibly inquire into the status of "When We Return You Won't Recognise Us"? This is the project which Prevost and Butcher contributed to and I was wondering if Sylvian had any plans of releasing this music in the future. Thanks.

i would also love to hear the music from this project.

with the district 9 approach.

[Phil Lawton]

As I said in the main 'Manafon' thread, there's no way I'll be buying the deluxe edition as I'd planned to. Way beyond my budget and I'd be crazy to even entertain the idea without first hearing the album.

The completist in me (the completist who missed the boat with "Ember Glance", "Weatherbox" et al) mutters about buying it while I can - but the sensible nerd in me has been serving injunctions to limit me to the digipak.

[camphorvan]

Hello. I'd like to get in on this discussion about pricing and whether the deluxe edition is too expensive or not. In sterling, including posting and packaging, it comes to around £56, which in my opinion is about right, from what I've seen of the pack. Basically, you get two books; (one which is effectively a mini Trophies - remember Trophies 3 only had the Blemish lyrics in + a poem), a biog book of the musicians, a DVD and a CD plus another copy of the CD on the DVD in 5.1 surround sound) and all contained in a handy slip case; all of which is especially designed and manufactured. For a small business to do this as a limited release, (with no mass market appeal), I wouldn't be surprised if they don't make much money on this at all. The smaller the run of any product, the more expensive it is to produce and it looks expensive to me in the first place.

It is a choice. It is a deluxe edition - for those fans that really want it and for those that can afford it. I missed out on weatherbox years ago, cos I didn't have the funds. That's just the way it goes. I'd also like a Ferrari but that ain't gonna happen either...I am also sure that Sylvian would really be unhappy if he knew that people would stretch themselves to try to afford it when they really couldn't. It seems to run contrary to what Samadhi stands for, my interpretation of which is 'non-mass market music that might otherwise not get heard, for the people'. I don't think there is any elitism at play here; just 'if you'd really like it and you really want it and can afford it, here's something special you might like'. There is no expectation. I'm sure he'd be just as happy for people to buy the digipack.

For myself, I am considering the deluxe edition, but haven't quite made up my mind yet. On the subject of piracy, it's inevitable that the documentary will become available somewhere/somehow. But I think the point of the deluxe edition is the package itself. If you want it, like it, can afford it, buy it. If you can't or don't like it, don't. I don't see any difference between that and 'hmmm shall I buy this pair of shoes?'.

By the way - this is not directed at any individual and is not intended to come across rudely. I can't stand unnecessary impoliteness.

CV

PS I never did buy the shoes. They were horrid shoes.